Phase 1 of the “Big Bin” recycling program

Got a nice looking mailer today from the City for the new big blue 96 gallon recycling bins- an opt-in program. The neighborhoods listed are:

  • College Hill
  • DeWeese
  • Eastmont
  • Five Oaks
  • Madden Hills
  • Miami Chapel
  • Northern Hills
  • Patterson Park
  • South Park
  • University Row

I’ll be opting in. Glad South Park made the list. And while I can mail it in- I think I’ll save the city the postage and go to to register. You can also call 937-333-4800

I wonder how these neighborhoods were chosen?

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27 Responses

  1. Matthew Crowe April 16, 2010 / 12:14 pm
    Link is broken.
  2. Will Brooks April 16, 2010 / 1:15 pm
    I’ll be opting out. Don’t need the city keeping track of my recycling efforts via the RFID chip in the bin handle.
  3. Recycle April 16, 2010 / 1:43 pm
    Will, why do you feel that way?
  4. David Esrati April 16, 2010 / 1:52 pm

    @Matthew- fixed the link.

    Funny Will- there is no mention on the mailer of the RFID tracking- but there is the disclaimer on the mail-in form:

    “Your privacy and the security of your personal information are very important to us. We will not rent, sell or share your information with anyone.”

  5. David Esrati April 16, 2010 / 2:01 pm

    Should have known this program was looking too good to be true- city site returned:

    Submission Error

    Your address as entered is not eligible. If you have questions, please call 937-333-4800 for assistance.

  6. Recycle April 16, 2010 / 2:09 pm
    You can go to “view source” on that website, and it will show you the addresses it feels are valid. It has  “101 Bonner St,104 Bonner St,105 Bonner St,108 Bonner St,109 Bonner St”  etc.  100 is missing.

    I wonder if it still works if you type “bonner st” or “Bonner Street”?

  7. David Esrati April 16, 2010 / 2:18 pm

    @Recycle I was entering my home address 113.

  8. David Esrati April 16, 2010 / 2:21 pm

    @Recycle- it didn’t like Street

    Got it to work- thanks for the tip. I’d love to have one at my office too- but, it says residential only.

  9. Recycle April 16, 2010 / 2:28 pm
    If they’re going to do that, they should have the street as a drop down, then give another drop down for valid house numbers as well as directions (E, W). This is not a very user friendly website, and it may impact the success of the program?
  10. David Lauri April 16, 2010 / 3:51 pm
    Has anyone else watched Penn and Teller’s take on recycling on their Bullshit show?  To sum it up, they say that recycling aluminum cans is worthwhile but that all other recycling is either just a waste of time or worse yet actually has a negative impact on the environment.
  11. jstults April 16, 2010 / 5:40 pm

    @Recycle – I don’t think the city needs to track citizen participation via RFID. Kind of a creepy big brother feel to it to me.

    Tech Town connection?

  12. Bill Daniels (pizzabill) April 16, 2010 / 7:49 pm
    My tenants tried the link for their apartments above my commercial address, and no go.  I hope they get a postcard so they can be included.  Sounds like a good idea.
  13. Will Brooks April 16, 2010 / 9:34 pm
    @Jstults – quite possible, although the program here in Dayton is paid courtesy of the Federal Government via stimulus dough.
  14. Will Brooks April 16, 2010 / 9:41 pm
    @Jstults – correction (I had not read that articel since it was released) The stiumuls grant only pays for the consultant. Which begs the question? Who pays for the bins equipped with the RFID chips?
  15. Recycle April 16, 2010 / 9:44 pm

    If you could see exactly what information they’re collecting and exactly what they’re doing with it, would that help?

    From a technology perspective, all the RFID can track is “who put a bin out on what day and what time was it collected”?  From their website, it just sounds like they want to take the bins away from people who don’t use them. I’m not sure what else they can do with the data other than see which route drivers slack off.  :-)

  16. Will Brooks April 16, 2010 / 9:46 pm
    No. Let them find another way to monitor their bins and manage their workers without collecting information on citizens activities.
  17. Gene April 16, 2010 / 10:08 pm
    Will, they want to know if it is being used – for recycling, that is it.

    DL – great youtube link.

    I wish I could get one of these, not available in my ghetto….

  18. Karri O April 17, 2010 / 12:50 pm
    Hurray!  Hope it comes to Grafton Hill sooner than later.
    In order to get continued or expanded funding for these types of programs, which in early postings on this topic almost everyone was in favor of, the organizations need to be able to prove value for the dollars spent.  Tracking will allow them to know if the program is worth expanding.  I’m not sure I can think of a more cost effective way to provide the same kind of tracking as the chips, and really, would it be any better for our personal liberty if the city asked sanitation workers to provide the info on use, or to hired someone to drive around and see if people are using the bins?
    I’m with you about protecting against government big brother type acts, but I’ll take off my tin foil hat if I can get a big blue bin to recycle it in.
  19. Shortwest Rick April 17, 2010 / 4:58 pm
    Actually the chip doesn’t collect any information it merely emits a signal with it’s unique number, similar to the Indent chip used in animals. I can think of several useful ways the information could be used though. For instance, if at the end of the day the truck contains 17,000 gallons of material and it’s collected 592 containers they know that the average container was less than one third full, compared to census information for that area if the average household is 1.7 people they could encourage people to only put their container out on collection days when it’s at least two thirds full thus reducing manpower and equipment. In the same circumstance if census information says the average household is 4.7 people they could target that area with a mailer listing materials that are recyclable in an attempt to move more material from trash container to recycling bin.
    A problem in my neighborhood is the shopping cart people have taken a preference to the green trash containers instead, in twelve years I’ve had four stolen. In order to get a replacement you have to make a police report and phone the report number into waste collection, then you’ll get a new one based on availability. With chips, someone could drive around with a handheld and identify containers that are not where they belong, reclaiming them rather than buying more.
    It all comes down to ROI, improving efficiency and… wait… – reducing government waste – someone will have to take these numbers to their boss and prove this program was a good idea. If people widely believed the chip in their dog monitored how often the animal got walked or eavesdropped on conversations it would be a tough biscuit to sell.
  20. Elvira Montgomery April 18, 2010 / 3:20 pm
    I am confident that by the city supplying the containers, it will encourage more use.
  21. David Lauri April 22, 2010 / 11:08 am
    Dan, thanks for that link about Daniel K. Benjamin.  I’ll share it with the friend who pointed out the Bullshit episode to me.
  22. jstults April 28, 2010 / 7:58 pm
    Will Brooks:

    No. Let them find another way to monitor their bins and manage their workers without collecting information on citizens activities.

    Shortwest Rick:

    Actually the chip doesn’t collect any information it merely emits a signal with it’s unique number, similar to the Indent chip used in animals.

    They’re really just expensive bar-codes; here’s a little video demo’ing some chips and recievers (Will, if you want you can get your own little RFID reader for your laptop and keep track of the man while he keeps track of you!).  The question I’d have is what’s the advantage of expensive electronics over a cheap solution like QR Codes which you can read on any camera phone.  Maybe it’s hard to make barcodes that stand-up to the long-term abuse a garbage can takes.

  23. Andrew wilson February 26, 2011 / 2:57 pm
    If u r starting to recycle dayton. Wouldnt u think to have all residence take part in it. This is extradinair. Great thinking. But my street on east third street isnt one of them. Please help our street . This would be fantasic!!!!!!!!!
  24. Steve Knox July 29, 2011 / 12:38 pm
    For those that are asking about the rfid chip.I’m willing to bet that it”ll be a tax or a fee if you’re not recycling as often or whatever they deem improper use…After all this does say stage 1..What are the other stages that is coming?Why are these free??Got to stop and think before you order one.

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