One of my best friends thinks all government is inefficient and wasteful at the Federal level, he thinks they should manage defense and foreign policy and not much else. He thinks States should be empowered, and of course, he lives in the cesspool that gave us Ron DeSantis and Marco Rubio. Florida. The one that bans books, abortions, and now owns Donald Trump too.
Yes, I have a diverse group of friends, including Greg Hunter, who I did a 24 minute video podcast for old times sake on Thursday. Greg has a degree in geological science and does environmental survey work for government contractors. We used to do a “crossfire” style video podcast for the now defunct Grassroots Dayton, with him being the R and me the D- until he switched over to the D side in Wyoming and ran against Liz Cheney for Congress in 2018.
I picked the topic, “What kills Americans” hoping to guide the conversation to our failure to efficiently manage and support healthy choices for Americans and a proactive health care system that’s not “insurance” but actual health care. Greg sort of took that theme all over the map. He’s convinced that local legend Charles Kettering’s invention of leaded gasoline gave us more serial killers among other things. Feel free to watch the trainwreck of a discussion. In 3 days it has 83 views without me pimping it to my readers here.
Saturday morning, the New York Times runs a major story about a federal government program encouraging municipalities “to spread municipal sewage on millions of acres of farmland as fertilizer. It was rich in nutrients, and it helped keep the sludge out of landfills.” NYT “Something’s Poisoning America’s Land. Farmers Fear ‘Forever’ Chemicals” 31 Aug 2024
The problem is, the sludge was full of PFAS (polyfluoroalkyl) the same chemical that’s been leaching into Dayton’s aquifer from firefighting foam used at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Dayton has been fighting/suing the feds over this for the last 10 years. PFAS is a forever chemical that just won’t go away and it’s toxic as all get out. Yet, the language to describe its dangers is still guarded in the NY Times, saying exposure to PFAS can “increase the risk of certain types of cancer and to cause birth defects and developmental delays in children.” It’s also used “in everything from microwave popcorn bags and firefighting gear to nonstick pans and stain-resistant carpets.”
The reality is, in our quest to dispose of the waste created by our throwaway society, we’re poisoning the planet we depend on to nurture mankind. It’s not just global warming, microplastics, or toxic sludge, it’s the stupidity of unchecked capitalism striving to win at Monopoly while the real estate is being rendered worthless and toxic. We’ve potentially already rendered “nearly 70 million acres, or about a fifth of all U.S. agricultural land” toxic by spreading this sludge on it according to permits.
Even when we get things right, sometimes, we do more harm than good. “The 1972 Clean Water Act had required industrial plants to start sending their wastewater to treatment plants instead of releasing it into rivers and streams, which was a win for the environment but also produced vast new quantities of sludge that had to go somewhere.” This is where we need regulators who not only know what they are doing, but can see into the future to evaluate the consequences of their actions. It’s why sprawl is bad, public transit is good, and not paving over farmland or cutting down rain forests should be pretty obvious- no matter what the financial play is.
How can we trust the EPA to do the right thing if lobbyists can buy legislation? How can we have good leadership, when it costs a million minimum to run for Congress? How can we make sure that things like fracking, deep well injection, or toxic sludge have all been approved at one time or another by some bureaucrat who pocketed some payola or didn’t really give a shit about doing the right thing?
There are lots of things killing Americans, but also killing our planet. Someones still fiddling while the proverbial Rome burns- or as Pogo said “We have met the enemy and he is us.” If we want to stop killing ourselves, we need to stop fooling ourselves that our system is working- we’re just hamsters in a wheel running in circles for the entertainment of the 1% who are living a life far away from our reality- building spaceships to escape our planet once they are done destroying it.
Song: “Burning down our house” by David Esrati
Greg asked me to post a link to this article about long haul truckers as serial killers: Why Long-Haul Trucking Attracts Some Serial Killers which he believes is tied to lead in gas. He also wanted to share his PDF to correlate his position.


Dave- Florida has had booming net migration since Desantis took over. People are moving to Florida to live. You are dead wrong about Florida.
Good info…………thanks
Heard this this morning….from a Jewish person “Any Jewish person voting for Harris is an idiot”
My entire view of the mid 1940s to the mid 1990s is now informed by the phrase “that was when Lead was in gasoline”
For the first 27 years of my life murder, rape and assaults were going up and in 1990 they started to go down. In fact the reduction of violence and crime is a worldwide phenomena that is directly tied to Lead in the environment and its impacts on human behavior. Every city was being abandoned and now they are all thriving. The only causative agent that could account for these facts is Lead.
I suggest starting with the 2024 EPA Report on Lead in the Environment.
https://assessments.epa.gov/isa/document/&deid=359536
The Ethyl Corporation Papers and “propaganda” films are on file at the American Heritage Center in Laramie Wyoming. The Medical Case for Tetra-Ethyl Lead is a must watch….
https://archiveswest.orbiscascade.org/ark:80444/xv938949?q=ethyl%20corporation
Greg should have stayed a Republican and ran against Liz Cheney in 2022. He might have actually beat her in the primary.
David, Did you say Daniel Pink made the link between abortion and crime? Freaknomics was written by Steven B. Leavitt.
I want to thank you for misremembering what was imprinted in the American Psyche when this drivel was released. I had not considered this bum for years as I was down the path of truth instead of the path of coverup like Steve.
Steven B addresses the Lead Theory in a 2019 Podcast by Freaknomics Radio. Old Steve is exhibiting Freudian and Misogynist behaviors. Even the intro does not mention addressing Lead as a potential causal factor nor the female economist that proposes it.
It was a great read…
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisited/
Here is a little thread I wrote about HIPAA at website where I actually get push back on my ideas….all of them. The moderator of the site does not like all my takes and has actively moderated what I say, but alas could not bring the goods. I could spend days backing up what comes out of my mouth; however, I am a white, male, gentile boomer so I may be discounted.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/04/10/three-things-no-news-isnt-good-news/#comment-1048148
Greg, I found your chat with David to be interesting and humorous. You both have a good rapport.
I looked over all of your citations in support of the lead-crime hypothesis. Provide an on point citation in support of your statement on crime reduction: “…The only causative agent that could account for these facts is Lead.”…
A quick check of other sources on this well researched lead-crime topic shows there is a correlation between the two, but the jury is still out on gasoline lead removal being the only causative agent to explain the crime reduction.
Of course, lead abatement is good across the board for every living thing everywhere. Now, if we could only elevate the study & practice of science, eradicate microplastics & forever chemicals, and guarantee soil & water safe for all living things, that would be grand.
As to your critique of Rayne over at Marcy Wheeler’s emptywheel.net, it has been my experience they are a smart lot over there who don’t suffer fools (not saying you are one here). They like their peeps to be well informed who bring factual direct links to the table and take no prisoners in their quest for a vigorous, fact-based dialogue, often amply laced with snark.
What are your thoughts on the use of glyphosate based herbicides like Roundup and Roundup Ready in the environment?
Missile Boy Mikey does not fail me again….Melissa I will get back to you about Mike’s predecessor Tony “Monsanto” Hall.
Mikey whines that the bloated DOD doesn’t have enough cash…I would have solved that problem by making them more efficient but alas Dayton choose the dope.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/opinion/nuclear-power-us-invest.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ik4.0dfr.QzQA4_-DZWY6&smid=url-share
I guess you need to add cinnamon to the death by lead list, Greg.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/12/health/lead-cinnamon-powder-spices-wellness/index.html
Does this mean we will see an increase in serial cooking killers?
There are way too many American and Canadian Indigenous girls, women and boys disappearing and long haul truckers are being looked at (per numerous documentaries online). Maybe there are other reasons for an increase in serial killers using no lead gas.
Buy verified organic spices, no knock gas, and stay out of truck stops or isolated roadways until we are safely lead free.