Dead sign petitions without prosecutions

Whoever commits election falsification is guilty of a felony of the fifth degree

The warning on petitions

In an opinion piece in the Dayton Daily we find this gem:

Montgomery County’s Steven Harsman does acknowledge that the names of dead people have shown up on petitions gathered to get candidates and issues on the ballot. But, he says, “They get deleted, because their signatures don’t match” the signatures on their registration forms.

Even if just a few people are signing another’s name, that’s not good.

via Editorial: Dead people aren’t stealing any elections | A Matter of Opinion.

Yet, we’ve not heard about any prosecutions? On the petitions I’ve seen- it clearly states: “Whoever commits election falsification is guilty of a felony of the fifth degree.”

Now, either Harsman is lying about people turning in signatures of dead people- or he is guilty of not doing his job.

Which is it?

He’s sure good about keeping live people off the ballot with his team of crack graphologists– where is the prosecution of the crimes?

Have any of the party faithful been elected with signatures of dead people on their petitions?

It’s time for a full investigation of the BOE- and who is on the payroll of this political patronage cesspool.

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10 Responses

  1. Bob VL April 25, 2011 / 9:54 am
      
    It seems to me that it would be difficult to prosecute dead people? 
    Furthermore, if the criminals sign with another name… how does one track back the forger?  David knows better than anyone the credibility requirements of proper signatures on petitions.  

    So start the trace backs with the CANDIDATES!  Where were the signatures obtained?  At what event?  When?  Who is the collective audience, geographically speaking, neighborhood and community activists etc.  Stop the Fraud.  There must be a better way … to run this railroad? 

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  2. Clayton April 25, 2011 / 10:23 am
    It sounds like your saying there should be a criminal investigation for each petition signature that is rejected. That seems like a huge waste of time. The ballot is what really matters, not petitions.

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  3. Clayton April 25, 2011 / 10:26 am
    Because it’s a “crime” either way ***

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  4. David Esrati April 25, 2011 / 11:59 am

    @Bob- it’s the person turning in the petition- who has sworn that the signatures are legit- that is prosecutable.

    As to the ballot counting- only if you can get on it- which in Dayton is less than 2/3 of the time.

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  5. Bob VL April 25, 2011 / 12:40 pm
    @ David – Agreed – only HOW do you find the people who obviously Lie, and sign Dead Mans’ names?  There is not a simple way… so I was being facetious.  As Clayton says, how to you possibly prosecute all the liars and forgers on the petitions.  Hence Montgomery County’s Steven Harsman needs to change the petition process (andI KNOW you agree) – OR scrutinize the Candidates?  

    Does anyone have a solution to the problem? 

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  6. Butler TWP Repub April 25, 2011 / 3:44 pm
    I found out one the major reasons why Director Steve Harsman has avoided being fired over the years, he is in with board member and AFSCME union boss Tom Ritchie.  When Harsman was deputy director at the Board of Elections the current 10,000 sq ft of office space they use had been gutted down to the concrete Harsman made sure all the remodeling work went to union labor to help out Tom Ritchie’s union good old boys.  Harsman has since hired dozens of friends and family of labor union boss Ritchie over the years including Tom Ritchie’s son (work records will prove it) in exchange for Tom Ritchie protecting his job.  The corruption is very deep in this office folks! 

    Tom Ritchie and the democrats has protected Director Harsman by letting him get away with dozens of acts of misconduct that should have got him fired.  Some of the common incidents that the board members and most staff know about include the following.

    Harsman spend 200+ hours supervising the building of his house in Vandalia on county time (never turned in time off) and used a county van to drive to the work site.  Harsman had staff take a county van to bring drywall to this house during work hours and has taken 100+ two hour lunches and a county vehicle to get his hair piece redone, tuned up etc. over the last 10 years.

    Harsman defrauded $200,000 worth of voting machines from the Deibold company in 2005 and was quietly forced to send most of them back in 2008 to hopefully cover the crime up quietly.

    Harsman knowingly hired a convicted rapist as a favor to his office enforcer Beverly King (sex offender’s sister) and signed off on the approval to hire him and signed the payroll as well.  Harsman has regulary verbally and emotionally abused staff by telling them mcdonalds or burger king is hiring if they have a problem with it.  Ritchie also let Harsman give himself huge raises and bonuses far higher than what staff gets while spending 10’s of thousand more traveling to optional luxury conferences all around the country. 

    How can a labor union board member that is supposed to protect workers form abusive and overpaid management do the opposite in this office?  How can a someone as dirty as Harsman not been fired or faced criminal charges a long time ago.  Well we know the one big reason why now.

    Sadly this little bit of information doesn’t mention what deputy director Smith has been up to. 

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  7. Hall April 26, 2011 / 1:02 am
    When all of these “allegations” have been reported to the Secretary of State, what comes of it ?

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  8. WWJD April 26, 2011 / 8:35 am
    A Investigation needs to be conducted by the Secetary Of State. Huested is probably unwilling to investigate his friends in Montgomery Co. If enough people write letters to the SOS, explaining what they know, what crimes were committed.  The SOS would be forced to take action. Many employees are afarid to expose the adminastaration in fear of retalelation.

    So many crimes by both parties have occured that people will probable end up in prision if exposed. Lucas Co.  Board Members and their Director/Depty was required to resign this year bc of the SOS, that needs to happen in Montgomery Co.

    Voters have short memories and I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing happens, unless the SOS will get involved. I’m sure there is a room full of current/former employees that could verify all mentioned above true. And much much more.

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  9. Carry April 26, 2011 / 1:25 pm
    I have heard several staff have sent complaints via email over the last few years to the SOS but that may have been when Brunner was in charge.  Does David know if there if there are official procedures people can follow to make a complaint and get the SOS to investigate?  I really think the problem is with Jon Husted.  If the comments posted on this blog alone were sent to him by Esrati how could he not do something?  I also have some documents that show how both directors really screwed voters in a general election I think I might release.  I can’t believe the democrats let Steve Harsman get away with having a public affair with his secretary, they usually clean their own house.  Is the labor union board member Ritchie that backs this Harsman guy up really that powerful?  I can’t beleive nothing has been done.

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  10. Butler TWP Repub May 4, 2011 / 10:45 pm
    Congrats yo the BOE for screwing up one of the two gotta work days by passing out the wrong poll books and supply bags to wrong precients disfranchising hundreds of voters! who you going to blame now betty and steve? how about the both of you!

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