Comments on: The unintended consequences of cronyism and the downfall of the Montgomery County Democratic Party http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/ Dayton Ohio revealed and discussed. Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:14:41 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Gene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48430 Gene Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:12:55 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48430 To clarify, I don't think society "should have to" take care of them, and we do often, bc of absentee fathers, among other reason. Certainly there will be kids born to unfit parents, and yes we should take care of them. But fixing the first problem drastically would reduce the second problem. I don't think it was better 40 years ago, just that (as a %) more fathers were involved and supported their kids. Yes, those were different days, but now guys simply skip town or go across town and get another woman pregnant. No, nothing is perfect, but that needs to get better. The lack of parental support (financially, emotionally, etc) makes society worse. It simply does. We have more crime, our schools are worse off (esp in poor areas) and other things here and there that are directly connected to there being no father around. Two PARENTS are better than one. In general it is the father who leaves or is not wanted around, certainly there are cases where woman do this.  The rich do get richer. Some poor get poorer. But as to the middle class, often it is defined on 1/5 s. That being Top 20% rich, next 20% middle class, next 20% middle class, next 20% lower middle class, next 20% poor. The middle class exist. But what has happened, among other things, is that the jobs they once had are way different from the jobs they have today. And there are a lot of two income households which puts a spin on things. But with out a doubt the fact remains, 20 or40 or 60 or 80 years ago we did not have as much STUFF, which is a huge problem in ALL households, including my household. What I mean by that is often we get so absorbed with STUFF and CASH that we miss the simple answer of having more money = having less stuff. STUFF does create jobs, but to a single household the more stuff you have the less money you have. Stuff is not worth that much. If it makes you happy, great, so long as you can afford it. But most people can not. But I say let people do what they want to do... if you want to buy crap, go ahead. If you are poor I can point out where you went wrong, often. So I suggest that we need to tell people to A) buy less stuff, therefore you will have more money in the future for times like today B) stop worrying about the Jones, C) Stream line your life asap. That is the best thing that has happened to me the last few years, I just stopped buying stuff. I have more money bc of that and I am happier and wealthier (maybe  not so much healthier :) . As for inherited money, don't worry about it. It is not yours, it is someone else's, it has been tax, they give it to whom ever they want. The stat I heard regarding millionaire was on a radio show, so I have not other reference. <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/8760287/FREE-EXCERPT-The-21-Success-Secrets-of-SelfMade-Millionaires-How-to-Achieve-Financial-Independence-Faster-and-Easier-Than-You-Ever-Thought-Possible" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/8760287/FREE-EXCERPT-The-21-Success-Secrets-of-SelfMade-Millionaires-How-to-Achieve-Financial-Independence-Faster-and-Easier-Than-You-Ever-Thought-Possible</a> page *8. yes, a self help thing, ref 15 years of research. Take it for what it is, but most millionaires are self made, a huge percent, this guy claims 90 ish..... But you don't have to be rich to have a good life. Have a nice day. To clarify, I don’t think society “should have to” take care of them, and we do often, bc of absentee fathers, among other reason. Certainly there will be kids born to unfit parents, and yes we should take care of them. But fixing the first problem drastically would reduce the second problem. I don’t think it was better 40 years ago, just that (as a %) more fathers were involved and supported their kids. Yes, those were different days, but now guys simply skip town or go across town and get another woman pregnant.

No, nothing is perfect, but that needs to get better. The lack of parental support (financially, emotionally, etc) makes society worse. It simply does. We have more crime, our schools are worse off (esp in poor areas) and other things here and there that are directly connected to there being no father around. Two PARENTS are better than one. In general it is the father who leaves or is not wanted around, certainly there are cases where woman do this. 

The rich do get richer. Some poor get poorer. But as to the middle class, often it is defined on 1/5 s. That being Top 20% rich, next 20% middle class, next 20% middle class, next 20% lower middle class, next 20% poor. The middle class exist. But what has happened, among other things, is that the jobs they once had are way different from the jobs they have today. And there are a lot of two income households which puts a spin on things. But with out a doubt the fact remains, 20 or40 or 60 or 80 years ago we did not have as much STUFF, which is a huge problem in ALL households, including my household. What I mean by that is often we get so absorbed with STUFF and CASH that we miss the simple answer of having more money = having less stuff. STUFF does create jobs, but to a single household the more stuff you have the less money you have. Stuff is not worth that much. If it makes you happy, great, so long as you can afford it. But most people can not.

But I say let people do what they want to do… if you want to buy crap, go ahead. If you are poor I can point out where you went wrong, often. So I suggest that we need to tell people to A) buy less stuff, therefore you will have more money in the future for times like today B) stop worrying about the Jones, C) Stream line your life asap. That is the best thing that has happened to me the last few years, I just stopped buying stuff. I have more money bc of that and I am happier and wealthier (maybe  not so much healthier :) .

As for inherited money, don’t worry about it. It is not yours, it is someone else’s, it has been tax, they give it to whom ever they want. The stat I heard regarding millionaire was on a radio show, so I have not other reference.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8760287/FREE-EXCERPT-The-21-Success-Secrets-of-SelfMade-Millionaires-How-to-Achieve-Financial-Independence-Faster-and-Easier-Than-You-Ever-Thought-Possible

page *8.

yes, a self help thing, ref 15 years of research. Take it for what it is, but most millionaires are self made, a huge percent, this guy claims 90 ish…..

But you don’t have to be rich to have a good life. Have a nice day.

]]> By: Gary Staiger http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48410 Gary Staiger Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:37:38 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48410 @David L & Gene.   Interesting and well said///Gene, keep it up and I will gladly remove you from my troll list!! @David L & Gene.
 
Interesting and well said///Gene, keep it up and I will gladly remove you from my troll list!!

]]> By: David Lauri http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48389 David Lauri Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:38:29 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48389 Fun answer, Gene.   I tend to agree that too many people are having kids.  What always gets me about people who complain about the danger to "the family" and "children" from "the gayz" and every child not having a father AND a mother is that the majority of child-related problems (abuse, neglect, etc.) are caused by the breeders. And I really get irked by people who've lost parental rights once then going on to pop out more kids for the system to have to take care of, although I do think it's best for society to try to care for such kids -- does "I don’t think society should take care of them" mean, Gene, that were you Emperor there'd be no Department of Family Services?   I do not agree, however, that life was better in the good old days, 40 years ago or whenever one's particular notion of when the "Golden Era" was. In the "Good Old Days" girls learned they weren't equal to boys and queers learned they better keep quiet (and hide in heterosexual marriages, as if that's any way to protect the family).   An example of something that wasn't better in the Good Old Days is access to safe and legal abortions. Personally, were I ever in the situation of deciding whether or not to have an abortion, I probably wouldn't choose to have one, but my sperm aren't getting near any eggs, so it's not a dilemma I'll ever face. I got in mild trouble on a Facebook thread for asking a feminist whether she thought it would have been better for the country as a whole if we had no health care reform whatsoever unless health care reform included coverage for abortion (pointing out that abortions cost on average only about $375).  She declined to answer, instead commenting how ironic it was that so-called progressive men couldn't see the importance of abortion coverage.  I took her answer to mean that she did in fact think it'd be best for people to go on dying for lack of health care coverage rather than be at all politically pragmatic. By the way, men do have a say in abortions -- if you're against abortions, don't get women pregnant.   Your views, Gene, on immigration, certainly aren't conservative, but I think you're right.  Dayton and other formerly industrial areas wouldn't be facing so many problems of de-population if it were easier for immigrants to settle down here legally. Of course the various Inspector Gotchas would have to be reined in so that new residents could succeed in starting small businesses and rehabbing houses.   The issue of drugs is a good one to discuss.  Think of the money we'd save if we stopped "The War on Drugs," a war we'll never win. Stop wasting money on detecting drug growers, drug dealers, drug users; stop wasting money on court cases and incarceration. Reduce gang wars and crime by taking gangs out of the business of drug production and distribution. Earn some money by taxing the recreational drug industry. The people's answer on the issue of gambling (it destroys families, let's try to stop it, etc. vs. we can't stop it so let's earn some bucks off it) could well apply to drugs.   As for guns, do I feel safer in the United States where guns are everywhere or in Canada where they're not?  Canada.  I think Canadians and Europeans are much saner when it comes to this issue, but this is an issue "Liberals" will never win.  Too many guns are out there for us to win on it, and until someone invents a time machine so that we can go back and get the Founders' answer on tape about whether they wanted citizen militia to have access to arms or every person walking down the street packing, Old West style, I don't think the "Liberal" view will prevail in the courts.   90% of millionaires are self made?  Got a source for that?  Seems like there's an awful lot of inherited wealth in this country, and that the rich keep getting richer, the poor poorer and the middle class smaller. (Do I have a source for that claim?  Why yes, yes, I do: http://www.nydailynews.com/money/personal_finance/2009/09/29/2009-09-29_recession_hit_middleincome_and_poor_families_hardest_widening_the_economic_gap_b.html ) Fun answer, Gene.
 
I tend to agree that too many people are having kids.  What always gets me about people who complain about the danger to “the family” and “children” from “the gayz” and every child not having a father AND a mother is that the majority of child-related problems (abuse, neglect, etc.) are caused by the breeders. And I really get irked by people who’ve lost parental rights once then going on to pop out more kids for the system to have to take care of, although I do think it’s best for society to try to care for such kids — does “I don’t think society should take care of them” mean, Gene, that were you Emperor there’d be no Department of Family Services?
 
I do not agree, however, that life was better in the good old days, 40 years ago or whenever one’s particular notion of when the “Golden Era” was. In the “Good Old Days” girls learned they weren’t equal to boys and queers learned they better keep quiet (and hide in heterosexual marriages, as if that’s any way to protect the family).
 
An example of something that wasn’t better in the Good Old Days is access to safe and legal abortions. Personally, were I ever in the situation of deciding whether or not to have an abortion, I probably wouldn’t choose to have one, but my sperm aren’t getting near any eggs, so it’s not a dilemma I’ll ever face. I got in mild trouble on a Facebook thread for asking a feminist whether she thought it would have been better for the country as a whole if we had no health care reform whatsoever unless health care reform included coverage for abortion (pointing out that abortions cost on average only about $375).  She declined to answer, instead commenting how ironic it was that so-called progressive men couldn’t see the importance of abortion coverage.  I took her answer to mean that she did in fact think it’d be best for people to go on dying for lack of health care coverage rather than be at all politically pragmatic. By the way, men do have a say in abortions — if you’re against abortions, don’t get women pregnant.
 
Your views, Gene, on immigration, certainly aren’t conservative, but I think you’re right.  Dayton and other formerly industrial areas wouldn’t be facing so many problems of de-population if it were easier for immigrants to settle down here legally. Of course the various Inspector Gotchas would have to be reined in so that new residents could succeed in starting small businesses and rehabbing houses.
 
The issue of drugs is a good one to discuss.  Think of the money we’d save if we stopped “The War on Drugs,” a war we’ll never win. Stop wasting money on detecting drug growers, drug dealers, drug users; stop wasting money on court cases and incarceration. Reduce gang wars and crime by taking gangs out of the business of drug production and distribution. Earn some money by taxing the recreational drug industry. The people’s answer on the issue of gambling (it destroys families, let’s try to stop it, etc. vs. we can’t stop it so let’s earn some bucks off it) could well apply to drugs.
 
As for guns, do I feel safer in the United States where guns are everywhere or in Canada where they’re not?  Canada.  I think Canadians and Europeans are much saner when it comes to this issue, but this is an issue “Liberals” will never win.  Too many guns are out there for us to win on it, and until someone invents a time machine so that we can go back and get the Founders’ answer on tape about whether they wanted citizen militia to have access to arms or every person walking down the street packing, Old West style, I don’t think the “Liberal” view will prevail in the courts.
 
90% of millionaires are self made?  Got a source for that?  Seems like there’s an awful lot of inherited wealth in this country, and that the rich keep getting richer, the poor poorer and the middle class smaller. (Do I have a source for that claim?  Why yes, yes, I do: http://www.nydailynews.com/money/personal_finance/2009/09/29/2009-09-29_recession_hit_middleincome_and_poor_families_hardest_widening_the_economic_gap_b.html )

]]> By: Gene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48299 Gene Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:36:22 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48299 Right on Gary S. Please note smiley face after the "none of your business"..... it was in fun, hence the :) Calling someone a liberal is not bad. And most of the time I am just pointing out what is a liberal viewpoint, therefore (in my opinion) that those viewpoints are often made with the heart and not always thought through. The fact is most of us want a better world, we have different views. I just believe throwing money at "problems" is not always the answer. Life is not perfect, I get that. But I do have a problem with liberals always wanting tax money for their agenda. People work hard for their money and I don't believe the government is entitled to it. Yes, we need to pay taxes. Everyone does. But why do we try to beat up on rich people all the time and take their money. Most rich work hard for their money. 90% of millionaires are self made, meaning that were not exactly rich before becoming rich. A lot of social ills are covered by tax payers. I feel bad for a lot of people. But a lot of people take advantage of the system, produce unwanted kids, burden tax payers, etc. I don't like that at all. I hate war. I hate this war. We should get out of these wars. Among other reasons, it cost too much and it certainly is not worth risking American life (or any life for that matter.) I want less taxes across the board, eliminate non-essential government services, including a lot of military. Tax me less, and with my tax money (with the elimination of so many programs and service) I want to see a strong but smaller military, a health care system that includes everyone yet still charges for care (ie to see a Doctor you still would need to pay some out of pocket, what that is is debatable, so we don't over load the system with the common cold, sprained toe, splinter, you get the idea.) I honestly think that politicians (both sides) are corrupt. They say they care but they only want to secure their jobs and their political allies. How to fix that, well, not sure, but that is how I feel. They are not noble. They do it as a job, and therefore have only self interest. Self interest is fine, just not when it involves spending my tax dollars (government overall.) Let the market work. Get out of peoples way and let them conduct business. Tax dollars are meant for IMPORTANT THINGS WE NEED. In general there is too much waste. Getting into specifics on every little last thing is a waste of time. Let people do what they want so long as it is under the law. And so many laws need to be 86ed. I can argue against things like drugs (for my personal life) but I don't care if other people do drugs. If they commit a crime when on drugs, lock 'em up. No blaming the drug if you know what I mean. You want a gun, get a permit. Liberals hate that but criminals generally love to carry a gun, so don't take that right away from someone who is law abiding.  Personally I am against abortion, but if someone feels they need to have one so be it. Their life, their choice. I just wish a man would have a little say, but again that is debatable. Speaking of men, my biggest problem with men is that they don't care for their kids - a lot of them - both black and white and so on...... Taking care of them means being in their life, financially and emotionally. It kills me we accept people having these kids then just laughing off a human life. I don't think society should take care of them, rather the PARENTS. but we have allowed it and we set the bar too low. It is not a marriage issue either. It is a "doing the right thing" issue. Sure, not everyone will step up to the plate. But 40 years ago we did not have this problem on the same scale, and this country is only slightly bigger. We need to do better there. Immigrants, welcome. Put them through citizenship, if they want, or 2 year visas. Charge them accordingly. The more the merrier. We have a lot of room. BTW, every human being on the planet (6-7 billion) could stand in Jax FL all at the same time. We have plenty of space. As for food, 3 plain states can produce enough for the entire world. It is a distribution problem. Overall we could use less people, but I would not legislate that. Let people do what they do so long as they can take care of their little ones in every fashion needed. I do have other liberal viewpoints, ask if you want.... I have ever changing opinion on a lot of things, bc someone points out things I did not know, persuades me, etc. I am not locked in to one side. I review each issue and they change from time to time bc I change. I could go on.... but I am tired. Maybe in 2 hours. Right on Gary S. Please note smiley face after the “none of your business”….. it was in fun, hence the :)

Calling someone a liberal is not bad. And most of the time I am just pointing out what is a liberal viewpoint, therefore (in my opinion) that those viewpoints are often made with the heart and not always thought through.

The fact is most of us want a better world, we have different views. I just believe throwing money at “problems” is not always the answer. Life is not perfect, I get that. But I do have a problem with liberals always wanting tax money for their agenda. People work hard for their money and I don’t believe the government is entitled to it. Yes, we need to pay taxes. Everyone does. But why do we try to beat up on rich people all the time and take their money. Most rich work hard for their money. 90% of millionaires are self made, meaning that were not exactly rich before becoming rich.

A lot of social ills are covered by tax payers. I feel bad for a lot of people. But a lot of people take advantage of the system, produce unwanted kids, burden tax payers, etc. I don’t like that at all.

I hate war. I hate this war. We should get out of these wars. Among other reasons, it cost too much and it certainly is not worth risking American life (or any life for that matter.)

I want less taxes across the board, eliminate non-essential government services, including a lot of military. Tax me less, and with my tax money (with the elimination of so many programs and service) I want to see a strong but smaller military, a health care system that includes everyone yet still charges for care (ie to see a Doctor you still would need to pay some out of pocket, what that is is debatable, so we don’t over load the system with the common cold, sprained toe, splinter, you get the idea.)

I honestly think that politicians (both sides) are corrupt. They say they care but they only want to secure their jobs and their political allies. How to fix that, well, not sure, but that is how I feel. They are not noble. They do it as a job, and therefore have only self interest. Self interest is fine, just not when it involves spending my tax dollars (government overall.)

Let the market work. Get out of peoples way and let them conduct business. Tax dollars are meant for IMPORTANT THINGS WE NEED. In general there is too much waste.

Getting into specifics on every little last thing is a waste of time. Let people do what they want so long as it is under the law. And so many laws need to be 86ed. I can argue against things like drugs (for my personal life) but I don’t care if other people do drugs. If they commit a crime when on drugs, lock ‘em up. No blaming the drug if you know what I mean.

You want a gun, get a permit. Liberals hate that but criminals generally love to carry a gun, so don’t take that right away from someone who is law abiding.

 Personally I am against abortion, but if someone feels they need to have one so be it. Their life, their choice. I just wish a man would have a little say, but again that is debatable.

Speaking of men, my biggest problem with men is that they don’t care for their kids – a lot of them – both black and white and so on…… Taking care of them means being in their life, financially and emotionally. It kills me we accept people having these kids then just laughing off a human life. I don’t think society should take care of them, rather the PARENTS. but we have allowed it and we set the bar too low. It is not a marriage issue either. It is a “doing the right thing” issue. Sure, not everyone will step up to the plate. But 40 years ago we did not have this problem on the same scale, and this country is only slightly bigger. We need to do better there.

Immigrants, welcome. Put them through citizenship, if they want, or 2 year visas. Charge them accordingly. The more the merrier. We have a lot of room. BTW, every human being on the planet (6-7 billion) could stand in Jax FL all at the same time. We have plenty of space. As for food, 3 plain states can produce enough for the entire world. It is a distribution problem.

Overall we could use less people, but I would not legislate that. Let people do what they do so long as they can take care of their little ones in every fashion needed.

I do have other liberal viewpoints, ask if you want…. I have ever changing opinion on a lot of things, bc someone points out things I did not know, persuades me, etc. I am not locked in to one side. I review each issue and they change from time to time bc I change.

I could go on…. but I am tired. Maybe in 2 hours.

]]> By: D. Greene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48293 D. Greene Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:15:27 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48293 <em>Get over the  name calling  &  participate in   an intelligent discussion of</em><em> ISSUES.</em> The word of the Lord: <em>"</em>You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Blessed be the word of the Lord. Amen. Get over the  name calling  &  participate in   an intelligent discussion of ISSUES.
The word of the Lord: “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
Blessed be the word of the Lord. Amen.

]]> By: Gary Staiger http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48288 Gary Staiger Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:41:26 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48288 @GENE Ok, but when David L asked what they were you told him none of your business...   What I object to is your not speaking to the issues, but rather resorting to low brow red-baiting and name calling.  So what if I'm a liberal, or even a socialist? This is, after all,  a pluralistic society where <em>even libertarian views are heard</em>...   Speak to the issues. Get over the  name calling  &  participate in   an intelligent discussion of<em> ISSUES.</em> @GENE
Ok, but when David L asked what they were you told him none of your business…
 
What I object to is your not speaking to the issues, but rather resorting to low brow red-baiting and name calling.  So what if I’m a liberal, or even a socialist? This is, after all,  a pluralistic society where even libertarian views are heard…   Speak to the issues. Get over the  name calling  &  participate in   an intelligent discussion of ISSUES.

]]> By: D. Greene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48287 D. Greene Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:34:09 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48287 I claim responsibility for the above formatting snafus, but I blame rich people for everything else! I claim responsibility for the above formatting snafus, but I blame rich people for everything else!

]]> By: Gene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48285 Gene Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:26:17 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48285 What is BS Gary S? That I have some liberal views on social issues..... I do. I don't want to type every little last thing on this subject. And that was not me above, but really funny. What is BS Gary S? That I have some liberal views on social issues….. I do.

I don’t want to type every little last thing on this subject. And that was not me above, but really funny.

]]> By: D. Greene- I'm a jerk impersonating someone http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48284 D. Greene- I'm a jerk impersonating someone Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:22:04 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48284 Hey everybody, it's me, D. Greene! I'm the smartest guy on the internet! I cannot be trolled! I never lose arguments on the internet, even with trolls, because <em>I</em> end up trolling <em>them</em>! Instead of arguing trivialities like facts, statistics, and reality on the ground, I am more interested in cutting straight to the heart of the matter, impugning the personalities of other internet characters, thus completely invalidating any and all arguments <em>before they are even posted</em>. Some say I am prescient, others claim I am clairvoyant. I'm just smarter than all of you. I'm D. Greene, and I vote for the status quo. [editors note- don't impersonate anyone- don't use multiple aliases- and stop attacking each other- I do moderate- this isn't the DDN pigpen] Hey everybody, it’s me, D. Greene! I’m the smartest guy on the internet! I cannot be trolled! I never lose arguments on the internet, even with trolls, because <em>I</em> end up trolling <em>them</em>! Instead of arguing trivialities like facts, statistics, and reality on the ground, I am more interested in cutting straight to the heart of the matter, impugning the personalities of other internet characters, thus completely invalidating any and all arguments <em>before they are even posted</em>. Some say I am prescient, others claim I am clairvoyant. I’m just smarter than all of you. I’m D. Greene, and I vote for the status quo.
[editors note- don't impersonate anyone- don't use multiple aliases- and stop attacking each other- I do moderate- this isn't the DDN pigpen]

]]> By: Gary Staiger http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48283 Gary Staiger Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:17:57 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48283 @Gene   <strong>MORE  BULLSHIT</strong> @Gene
 
MORE  BULLSHIT

]]> By: Gene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48276 Gene Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:51:48 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48276 None of your business. :) Why do you care? I am a libertarian, you do the math. None of your business. :) Why do you care?

I am a libertarian, you do the math.

]]> By: David Lauri http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48271 David Lauri Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:53:50 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48271 OK, so name one or two of the "a lot of social issues" which you agree with the "Liberals" on, Gene. OK, so name one or two of the “a lot of social issues” which you agree with the “Liberals” on, Gene.

]]> By: Gary Staiger http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48252 Gary Staiger Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:29:43 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48252 @GENE <em><strong>BULLSHIT</strong></em> @GENE
BULLSHIT

]]> By: Gene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48241 Gene Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:58:33 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48241 Troll lists are created by guys who use the government for money. Hand out central. Business owners in this part of the world grab with right hand and choke customers with left hand. They are owed it bc there are RICH people. Liberals need not apply...... the government will soon send you a check from the rich. Troll lists are created by guys who use the government for money. Hand out central.

Business owners in this part of the world grab with right hand and choke customers with left hand. They are owed it bc there are RICH people.

Liberals need not apply…… the government will soon send you a check from the rich.

]]> By: Gene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48233 Gene Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:23:42 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48233 I said "a lot", not all, and there are a lot of social issue. DL, you are the typical Super Lib too..... If you find some minor difference in opinion then you have the "YOU ARE AGAISNT LIBERALS!!!!" mentality. We have TWO parties (for the most part).... 9000k issues, people are going to vary on issues from time to time.... I said “a lot”, not all, and there are a lot of social issue. DL, you are the typical Super Lib too….. If you find some minor difference in opinion then you have the “YOU ARE AGAISNT LIBERALS!!!!” mentality.

We have TWO parties (for the most part)…. 9000k issues, people are going to vary on issues from time to time….

]]> By: Gary Staiger http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48210 Gary Staiger Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:05:17 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48210 @Bubba [probably not your real name]: With your most recent post you have earned induction onto my troll list, where you join  that poor confused red-baiting  misogynist  Gene.  Post again when you actually have something intelligent to add to the conversation.   @Bubba [probably not your real name]:

With your most recent post you have earned induction onto my troll list, where you join  that poor confused red-baiting  misogynist  Gene.  Post again when you actually have something intelligent to add to the conversation.
 

]]> By: David Lauri http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48203 David Lauri Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:45:31 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48203 I wonder how many social issues you'd agree with the "Liberals" on, Gene, if you weren't gay.  You certainly don't agree with "Liberals" on issues such as communal responsibility for the poor and disadvantaged in our midst. I wonder how many social issues you’d agree with the “Liberals” on, Gene, if you weren’t gay.  You certainly don’t agree with “Liberals” on issues such as communal responsibility for the poor and disadvantaged in our midst.

]]> By: Gene http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48131 Gene Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:57:33 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48131 Someone actually told me that like 5 years ago, when speaking about communists. I have no idea if it is really true, he can say yes or no. But, for real, I did hear this from someone (who most likely was exaggerating.) Actually, I think being a communist is better than being a hypocrite liberal. At least your agenda is set in stone and not to be determined by feelings and opinions on what you think is fair or unfair. That is the problem with Gary S. He owns a business, yet wants Best Buy, his competitor, to unionize and over pay employees and pay steep taxes. If he is so GD noble with his cash he can send it to me or better yet write a check to the government to help pay down the over whelming debt created by wasteful government, both done by republicans and demorats. He can only say bullshit bc he knows that he is a hypocrite. Most people are. Me included. But the level of his hypocrisy is shocking. He takes money from people who get government money, or even if the have earned it should be spending it on health care or their illegitimate kids or food for their kids or clothes for their kids, but not music. And the funny thing is Gary S. and I would agree on a lot of social issues, knowing the typical liberal platform. He is like Bill Maher..... jokes that doctors make millions off of sick people, but it is ok he makes millions for telling jokes...... or like Obama saying that we need a healthier US population and drugs and care are the answer........ ah, no, those things help the problems. If we want a healthier US population, real easy folks, exercise more, drink less alcohol, smoke less, eat less fast food, eat fruits and vegetables. If everyone did that we would have a lot less "sick" people........ Liberals are just plain backwards on most things. But I do agree with them on a lot of social issues... that counts for something..... Someone actually told me that like 5 years ago, when speaking about communists. I have no idea if it is really true, he can say yes or no. But, for real, I did hear this from someone (who most likely was exaggerating.)

Actually, I think being a communist is better than being a hypocrite liberal. At least your agenda is set in stone and not to be determined by feelings and opinions on what you think is fair or unfair.

That is the problem with Gary S. He owns a business, yet wants Best Buy, his competitor, to unionize and over pay employees and pay steep taxes. If he is so GD noble with his cash he can send it to me or better yet write a check to the government to help pay down the over whelming debt created by wasteful government, both done by republicans and demorats.

He can only say bullshit bc he knows that he is a hypocrite. Most people are. Me included. But the level of his hypocrisy is shocking.

He takes money from people who get government money, or even if the have earned it should be spending it on health care or their illegitimate kids or food for their kids or clothes for their kids, but not music.

And the funny thing is Gary S. and I would agree on a lot of social issues, knowing the typical liberal platform. He is like Bill Maher….. jokes that doctors make millions off of sick people, but it is ok he makes millions for telling jokes…… or like Obama saying that we need a healthier US population and drugs and care are the answer…….. ah, no, those things help the problems. If we want a healthier US population, real easy folks, exercise more, drink less alcohol, smoke less, eat less fast food, eat fruits and vegetables. If everyone did that we would have a lot less “sick” people……..

Liberals are just plain backwards on most things. But I do agree with them on a lot of social issues… that counts for something…..

]]> By: Bubba Jones http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48130 Bubba Jones Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:36:24 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48130 Gene - well said until you got to the part where you accuse Gary S of being a former communist.  Do you know this for sure or are you just yanking his chain?   Gary S - from one of your comments on 11/13 - "When I did have others working here it was pay, in part, for performance based on a sales commission".  Where's the fairness in this?  Your support of collective bargaining would indicate that all of your employees should have been paid the same!  What's up with that?  Since you expected them to be paid based on performance, I'll bet you were so evil that you didn't even provide their health insurance for them, did you?  Are you sure you're not a Republican in disguise?  I think you've been fooling us all!   Gene – well said until you got to the part where you accuse Gary S of being a former communist.  Do you know this for sure or are you just yanking his chain?
 
Gary S – from one of your comments on 11/13 – “When I did have others working here it was pay, in part, for performance based on a sales commission”.  Where’s the fairness in this?  Your support of collective bargaining would indicate that all of your employees should have been paid the same!  What’s up with that?  Since you expected them to be paid based on performance, I’ll bet you were so evil that you didn’t even provide their health insurance for them, did you?  Are you sure you’re not a Republican in disguise?  I think you’ve been fooling us all!
 

]]> By: Gary Staiger http://esrati.com/the-unintended-consequences-of-cronyism-and-the-downfall-of-the-montgomery-county-democratic-party/3712/#comment-48126 Gary Staiger Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:18:13 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3712#comment-48126 @Gene: <em><strong>BULLSHIT</strong></em> @Gene:

BULLSHIT

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