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	<title>Comments on: Redrawing the local lines, new precincts and voting locations for Montgomery County</title>
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		<title>By: Seth Morgan still believes in the people</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Morgan still believes in the people</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will appear on the ballot in your precinct. Currently it&#8217;s hard to tell who reps what &#8211; since they just cut the number of precincts by about 200- but, if you fill the seat where you live- it&#8217;s one less that the party can appoint. You can [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will appear on the ballot in your precinct. Currently it&#8217;s hard to tell who reps what &#8211; since they just cut the number of precincts by about 200- but, if you fill the seat where you live- it&#8217;s one less that the party can appoint. You can [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Your Dayton Morning Coffee show&#8230;.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Dayton Morning Coffee show&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We&#8217;re putting a face on the blog. Granted, I&#8217;d rather be at the Board of Elections getting video of their secret redistricting plan for Montgomery County. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We&#8217;re putting a face on the blog. Granted, I&#8217;d rather be at the Board of Elections getting video of their secret redistricting plan for Montgomery County. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Kettelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Kettelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are the reditricting computers?  I worked for a consulting firm in the 1980s that used a sophisticated software system to redistric sales territories, school districts, and even election districts.  That particular system was never converted to a pc but others have made the technological leap.  These system can be particularly good at defining impartial compact districts based on sets of constraints agreed to before the computer models are run. Some minor manual fine tuning is usually needed to help correct for natural boundaries like rivers and mountain ranges but for no other reasons.  Politicians and party leaders tend to hate these systems.

Texas tried to improve with this 2003 computer redistricting requirement but apparently it was not entirely successful 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitution.org/reform/us/tx/redistrict/redist_draft00.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.constitution.org/reform/us/tx/redistrict/redist_draft00.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the reditricting computers?  I worked for a consulting firm in the 1980s that used a sophisticated software system to redistric sales territories, school districts, and even election districts.  That particular system was never converted to a pc but others have made the technological leap.  These system can be particularly good at defining impartial compact districts based on sets of constraints agreed to before the computer models are run. Some minor manual fine tuning is usually needed to help correct for natural boundaries like rivers and mountain ranges but for no other reasons.  Politicians and party leaders tend to hate these systems.</p>
<p>Texas tried to improve with this 2003 computer redistricting requirement but apparently it was not entirely successful<br />
<a href="http://www.constitution.org/reform/us/tx/redistrict/redist_draft00.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitution.org/reform/us/tx/redistrict/redist_draft00.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-48090</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://midwestdemocracynetwork.org/index.php/news/article/redistricting_proposal_passes_ohio_s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://midwestdemocracynetwork.org/index.php/news/article/redistricting_proposal_passes_ohio_s
&lt;/a&gt;Sept 28 2009
Senator Jon Husted&#039;s redistricting proposal passes Ohio Senate



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Sept 28 2009<br />
Senator Jon Husted&#8217;s redistricting proposal passes Ohio Senate</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6T535x1tY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6T535x1tY&lt;/a&gt;

How to eliminate gerrymandering</description>
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<p>How to eliminate gerrymandering</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-48088</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTO_HCW4Epk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTO_HCW4Epk&lt;/a&gt;

gerrymandering...what happened in Texas &amp; on it&#039;s way to Ohio</description>
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<p>gerrymandering&#8230;what happened in Texas &amp; on it&#8217;s way to Ohio</p>
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		<title>By: David Esrati</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Esrati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Movie coming out about the effects of Gerrymandering- http://gerrymanderingmovie.com/content.php?section=film&amp;page=about&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People need to pay attention to this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Movie coming out about the effects of Gerrymandering- <a href="http://gerrymanderingmovie.com/content.php?section=film&amp;page=about" rel="nofollow">http://gerrymanderingmovie.com/content.php?section=film&amp;page=about</a></p>
<p>People need to pay attention to this.</p>
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		<title>By: David Esrati</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-48075</link>
		<dc:creator>David Esrati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Three days after you read it first on Esrati.com the Dayton Daily News gets the story. There are still no minutes of the meetings where this was discussed available from the BOE- nor redrawn maps for inspection/discussion. This should be considered a violation of the Sunshine Laws. Nor is their public notice on their website.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the DDN:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The number of precincts would shrink to 360 from 548. Harsman said the average number of voters in a precinct will rise to 1,000 from the current 700. State law limits the number to 1,400.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;via &lt;a title=&quot;Dayton Daily News article about re-precincting&quot; href=&quot;http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/politics/montgomery-county-to-shrink-voting-precincts-from-360-to-220-405456.html&quot; target=&quot;_self&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Montgomery County to shrink voting precincts from 360 to 220&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course- their headline and story don&#039;t agree on numbers (basic math ed- FAIL). No mention of what will happen to priority boards- or dry precincts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three days after you read it first on Esrati.com the Dayton Daily News gets the story. There are still no minutes of the meetings where this was discussed available from the BOE- nor redrawn maps for inspection/discussion. This should be considered a violation of the Sunshine Laws. Nor is their public notice on their website.</p>
<p>From the DDN:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The number of precincts would shrink to 360 from 548. Harsman said the average number of voters in a precinct will rise to 1,000 from the current 700. State law limits the number to 1,400.</p>
<p>via <a title="Dayton Daily News article about re-precincting" href="http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/politics/montgomery-county-to-shrink-voting-precincts-from-360-to-220-405456.html" target="_self" rel="nofollow">Montgomery County to shrink voting precincts from 360 to 220</a>.</p>
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<p>Of course- their headline and story don&#8217;t agree on numbers (basic math ed- FAIL). No mention of what will happen to priority boards- or dry precincts.</p>
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		<title>By: David Esrati</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-47999</link>
		<dc:creator>David Esrati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jennifer- I&#039;ve whitelisted your IP (finally). I think the problem has been you&#039;ve written in Word and pasted- and the filter sees the code.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You should be good to go now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer- I&#8217;ve whitelisted your IP (finally). I think the problem has been you&#8217;ve written in Word and pasted- and the filter sees the code.</p>
<p>You should be good to go now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David- your correct, I can&#039;t find a &quot;substantiated claim&quot; of voting coercion in Washington state w/ mail/absentee voting...yet that doesn&#039;t mean it hasn&#039;t happened or won&#039;t in the future. 

Yet, stepping way from the coercion factor,there are many other points of discussion against voting by mail. 

With election integrity issues the main stream media hardly touches the topic &amp; when it does, it is rare that you see info beyond what a BOE director or an SOS has released on a topic.  There is so much detailed info to look into &amp; follow, that it really requires a huge chunk of time &amp; effort, that most lose interest. 

feel free to email me personally &amp; I will forward you a list of  links with documented articles
jenbethalex1@aol.com
(spam filter won&#039;t allow me to add the links)
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David- your correct, I can&#8217;t find a &#8220;substantiated claim&#8221; of voting coercion in Washington state w/ mail/absentee voting&#8230;yet that doesn&#8217;t mean it hasn&#8217;t happened or won&#8217;t in the future. </p>
<p>Yet, stepping way from the coercion factor,there are many other points of discussion against voting by mail. </p>
<p>With election integrity issues the main stream media hardly touches the topic &amp; when it does, it is rare that you see info beyond what a BOE director or an SOS has released on a topic.  There is so much detailed info to look into &amp; follow, that it really requires a huge chunk of time &amp; effort, that most lose interest. </p>
<p>feel free to email me personally &amp; I will forward you a list of  links with documented articles<br />
<a href="mailto:jenbethalex1@aol.com">jenbethalex1@aol.com</a><br />
(spam filter won&#8217;t allow me to add the links)<br />
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-47993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David- your correct, I can&#039;t find a &quot;substantiated claim&quot; of voting coercion in Washington state w/ mail/absentee voting...yet that doesn&#039;t mean it hasn&#039;t happened or won&#039;t in the future. 

Yet, stepping way from the coercion factor,there are many other points of discussion against voting by mail. 

With election integrity issues the main stream media hardly touches the topic &amp; when it does, it is rare that you see info beyond what a BOE director or an SOS has released on a topic.  There is so much detailed info to look into &amp; follow, that it really requires a huge chunk of time &amp; effort, that most lose interest. 

feel free to email me personally &amp; I will forward you a list of  links with documented articles
jenbethalex1@aol.com
with the issue above of mail in voting &amp; chain of command, below are a few links
&lt;a href=&quot;http://novbm.wordpress.com/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://novbm.wordpress.com/about/&lt;/a&gt;
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6650&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6650&lt;/a&gt;
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/44808.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/44808.html&lt;/a&gt;
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/73175.html?1205534370&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/73175.html?1205534370&lt;/a&gt;  
(watch the butch &amp; hoppy chain of command videos)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David- your correct, I can&#8217;t find a &#8220;substantiated claim&#8221; of voting coercion in Washington state w/ mail/absentee voting&#8230;yet that doesn&#8217;t mean it hasn&#8217;t happened or won&#8217;t in the future. </p>
<p>Yet, stepping way from the coercion factor,there are many other points of discussion against voting by mail. </p>
<p>With election integrity issues the main stream media hardly touches the topic &amp; when it does, it is rare that you see info beyond what a BOE director or an SOS has released on a topic.  There is so much detailed info to look into &amp; follow, that it really requires a huge chunk of time &amp; effort, that most lose interest. </p>
<p>feel free to email me personally &amp; I will forward you a list of  links with documented articles<br />
<a href="mailto:jenbethalex1@aol.com">jenbethalex1@aol.com</a><br />
with the issue above of mail in voting &amp; chain of command, below are a few links<br />
<a href="http://novbm.wordpress.com/about/" rel="nofollow">http://novbm.wordpress.com/about/</a><br />
 <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6650" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6650</a><br />
 <a href="http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/44808.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/44808.html</a><br />
 <a href="http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/73175.html?1205534370" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/73175.html?1205534370</a> <br />
(watch the butch &amp; hoppy chain of command videos)</p>
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		<title>By: David Lauri</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-47967</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://dailyuw.com/2009/11/3/mail-voting-good-idea/
 
&quot;There has never been a single substantiated claim of voting coercion in Washington state, and the registry of voters is scanned daily for duplicate registrations.
&quot;Even in the unlikely case of coercion, the significant increase in overall voters makes the change a net positive. For every one case of coercion, there would be hundreds of additional, legitimate, better informed votes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dailyuw.com/2009/11/3/mail-voting-good-idea/" rel="nofollow">http://dailyuw.com/2009/11/3/mail-voting-good-idea/</a><br />
 <br />
&#8220;There has never been a single substantiated claim of voting coercion in Washington state, and the registry of voters is scanned daily for duplicate registrations.<br />
&#8220;Even in the unlikely case of coercion, the significant increase in overall voters makes the change a net positive. For every one case of coercion, there would be hundreds of additional, legitimate, better informed votes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-47951</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://electiondefensealliance.org/OEJC&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://electiondefensealliance.org/OEJC&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;strong&gt;The OEJC is a coalition of concerned citizens and election experts from Ohio and around the nation, including election reformers currently serving on the Ohio Secretary of State&#039;s Voting Rights Institute. &lt;/strong&gt;
The OEJC seeks to raise citizen awareness of election justice issues through education and to encourage elected officials to restore the rule of law to Ohio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://electiondefensealliance.org/OEJC" rel="nofollow">http://electiondefensealliance.org/OEJC</a></p>
<p><strong>The OEJC is a coalition of concerned citizens and election experts from Ohio and around the nation, including election reformers currently serving on the Ohio Secretary of State&#8217;s Voting Rights Institute. </strong><br />
The OEJC seeks to raise citizen awareness of election justice issues through education and to encourage elected officials to restore the rule of law to Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
		<link>http://esrati.com/redrawing-the-local-lines-new-precincts-and-voting-locations-for-montgomery-county/3724/#comment-47911</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;Paper Ballots, Not Mail Ballots
(&lt;em&gt;Why all mail ballot elections are a bad idea&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Lack of Transparency&lt;/strong&gt; - Ballots are mailed in secret and counted in secret on secret software. Ballots are counted at a central location that makes fraud on a large scale easier to accomplish and harder to detect. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/ChronDataBreaches.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Privacy Rights Clearinghouse data&lt;/a&gt; shows that approximately a third of computer security breaches are done by insiders either intentionally or accidentally. 


&lt;strong&gt;Lack of Security&lt;/strong&gt; - Ballots in hundreds of thousands of locations with no security for two to three weeks. The chain of custody lacks security as the ballots are handled by many anonymous persons throughout the process. Any unmarked contest on a ballot can be marked by someone other than the voter when the ballots are opened for counting. 


&lt;strong&gt;Voter Intimidation&lt;/strong&gt; - Voting can be done as a group at churches or union halls with people looking over the voter&#039;s shoulder to make sure they vote &quot;the right way.&quot; 


&lt;strong&gt;Election Fraud&lt;/strong&gt; - There is no way to be certain that the person who signed the envelope is the person to whom the ballot was sent. Ballots can be stolen from mail boxes while the voter is at work or away from home on an errand. Other tactics include vote harvesting by persons who show up at your door to &quot;help&quot; you vote. The elderly and those with disabilities are particularly vulnerable. 


&lt;strong&gt;Potential for Ballot Mishandling&lt;/strong&gt; - Post office or contract mailing company illegally forwards ballots, more than one ballot sent to voters, postal workers putting ballots in the trash. (All of these thing have happened in Colorado, 1100 ballots illegally forwarded in Douglas County, 214 voters received two ballots in Boulder County, ballots found in dumpsters at post office in El Paso County.) 


&lt;strong&gt;Lack of Secret Ballot&lt;/strong&gt; - When election judges check in your ballot, they can see how you voted when they match the inventory number on your ballot to the inventory number next to your name on the voter rolls. The Colorado Constitution guarantees your right to a secret ballot. [&lt;em&gt;ed note: as do most other state Constitutions and elections code.&lt;/em&gt;] 

&lt;em&gt;Additional Resources&lt;/em&gt;:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-77.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Why Mail Ballots Are a Bad Idea&quot;&lt;/a&gt; by Charles E. Corry, Ph.D

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6003&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6003&lt;/a&gt;  

@ Jeff...your very lucky, if your voting precinct is still in a location, that only has 1 precinct. When I started as a poll judge, when I turned 18, almost 20 yrs ago, in Montgomery County, that location had 4 precincts in the same location...it has always been very common for multiple precincts in the last 20 yrs. I stopped working as a poll judge after my first election experience w/ the DRE&#039;s &amp; started working as an official observer. I&#039;ve observed in locations that have had as many as 10 precincts in the same room...you could write a novel after observing a presidential election in a room with that many precincts. 1 brief example, if a voter doesn&#039;t know their precinct # like 1A-2B, &amp; the get in the wrong line, since there are 10 lines, they wait 45 minutes to get to the judge table, tell them their name &amp; their name isn&#039;t on the that particular voter log list...they either get turned away &amp; not sure where to go next, or are told to vote a provisional ballot (that won&#039;t count), get frustrated &amp; just give up &amp; leave, or hopefully finally wait in the right line or the line w/ a judge that actually knows what they are doing &amp; cares &amp; looks up the voters street &amp; tells them where they should be in line .....

I firmly feel the safest way to have your vote counted in our neck of Ohio, is to go to the polls on election day (not early at the BOE) &amp; request to vote paper ballot &amp; then just pray the scanner reads it properly....I never the first time EVER had a complaint with our old paper punch ballots, never saw a problem w/them...until Florida &amp; Gore 2000...but Dan Rather exposed that problem was w/ the shotty grade of paper
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Paper Ballots, Not Mail Ballots<br />
(<em>Why all mail ballot elections are a bad idea</em>)</strong></p>
<p><strong>Lack of Transparency</strong> &#8211; Ballots are mailed in secret and counted in secret on secret software. Ballots are counted at a central location that makes fraud on a large scale easier to accomplish and harder to detect. <a href="http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/ChronDataBreaches.htm" rel="nofollow">Privacy Rights Clearinghouse data</a> shows that approximately a third of computer security breaches are done by insiders either intentionally or accidentally. </p>
<p><strong>Lack of Security</strong> &#8211; Ballots in hundreds of thousands of locations with no security for two to three weeks. The chain of custody lacks security as the ballots are handled by many anonymous persons throughout the process. Any unmarked contest on a ballot can be marked by someone other than the voter when the ballots are opened for counting. </p>
<p><strong>Voter Intimidation</strong> &#8211; Voting can be done as a group at churches or union halls with people looking over the voter&#8217;s shoulder to make sure they vote &#8220;the right way.&#8221; </p>
<p><strong>Election Fraud</strong> &#8211; There is no way to be certain that the person who signed the envelope is the person to whom the ballot was sent. Ballots can be stolen from mail boxes while the voter is at work or away from home on an errand. Other tactics include vote harvesting by persons who show up at your door to &#8220;help&#8221; you vote. The elderly and those with disabilities are particularly vulnerable. </p>
<p><strong>Potential for Ballot Mishandling</strong> &#8211; Post office or contract mailing company illegally forwards ballots, more than one ballot sent to voters, postal workers putting ballots in the trash. (All of these thing have happened in Colorado, 1100 ballots illegally forwarded in Douglas County, 214 voters received two ballots in Boulder County, ballots found in dumpsters at post office in El Paso County.) </p>
<p><strong>Lack of Secret Ballot</strong> &#8211; When election judges check in your ballot, they can see how you voted when they match the inventory number on your ballot to the inventory number next to your name on the voter rolls. The Colorado Constitution guarantees your right to a secret ballot. [<em>ed note: as do most other state Constitutions and elections code.</em>] </p>
<p><em>Additional Resources</em>:<br />
<a href="http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-77.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Why Mail Ballots Are a Bad Idea&#8221;</a> by Charles E. Corry, Ph.D</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6003" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6003</a>  </p>
<p>@ Jeff&#8230;your very lucky, if your voting precinct is still in a location, that only has 1 precinct. When I started as a poll judge, when I turned 18, almost 20 yrs ago, in Montgomery County, that location had 4 precincts in the same location&#8230;it has always been very common for multiple precincts in the last 20 yrs. I stopped working as a poll judge after my first election experience w/ the DRE&#8217;s &amp; started working as an official observer. I&#8217;ve observed in locations that have had as many as 10 precincts in the same room&#8230;you could write a novel after observing a presidential election in a room with that many precincts. 1 brief example, if a voter doesn&#8217;t know their precinct # like 1A-2B, &amp; the get in the wrong line, since there are 10 lines, they wait 45 minutes to get to the judge table, tell them their name &amp; their name isn&#8217;t on the that particular voter log list&#8230;they either get turned away &amp; not sure where to go next, or are told to vote a provisional ballot (that won&#8217;t count), get frustrated &amp; just give up &amp; leave, or hopefully finally wait in the right line or the line w/ a judge that actually knows what they are doing &amp; cares &amp; looks up the voters street &amp; tells them where they should be in line &#8230;..</p>
<p>I firmly feel the safest way to have your vote counted in our neck of Ohio, is to go to the polls on election day (not early at the BOE) &amp; request to vote paper ballot &amp; then just pray the scanner reads it properly&#8230;.I never the first time EVER had a complaint with our old paper punch ballots, never saw a problem w/them&#8230;until Florida &amp; Gore 2000&#8230;but Dan Rather exposed that problem was w/ the shotty grade of paper</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall right Miami County had multi-precinct polling places in a recent presidential (2004?) election and it led to long lines.</description>
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		<title>By: David Esrati</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Esrati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Jennifer, I know you are the expert on this- but, I think I trust vote by mail like Oregon has- more than I trust machines, absentee, provisional and all the rest of our complex mess.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus- it takes the intimidation factor out- vote at your leisure- without having someone shoving dummy voter cards at you outside the polls.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jennifer, I know you are the expert on this- but, I think I trust vote by mail like Oregon has- more than I trust machines, absentee, provisional and all the rest of our complex mess.</p>
<p>Plus- it takes the intimidation factor out- vote at your leisure- without having someone shoving dummy voter cards at you outside the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ David....absentee / voting by mail is the least safe way to vote, google &quot;voting by mail&quot; and you will find study after study with the documented problems with that.  2004 presidential election in Ohio (several pending court cases still) something like 100,000  ballots (I have the exact figure in my files, somewhere) were found  in unopened cases at a Columbus post office over a month after the election had been certified...even in this past election Miami County had a problem with mailed absentee ballot paperwork (DDN reported)...so I&#039;ll stick to driving to the polls. Although, I miss the days that polling locations were actually in neighborhoods &amp; you personally knew your judges by first name, it was a sense of community.

As far as police having &quot;chain of command&quot; with the ballots....lol. If I witnessed as DRE flipping votes, as I have many times, I should be able to call the police and have them put yellow crime scene tape on the machine &amp; haul it away so no one else votes on it, nor tampers with it....yet if I called the police, I&#039;d probably get arrested for opening my mouth &amp; suggesting that the law be followed.

There are youtube clips from election activist from all over the country with them following cases of ballots that have left voting precincts in delivery trucks (sealed) and then wild car chases that are like something out of crazy movie....it seems like anything goes. 

With splitting the day for election polling judges, great idea that has been talked about for years. Also talk of extending the polling hours until the close of polls on the west coast, which would make the day that much longer. Either way, the BOE&#039;s struggle to get people to sign up. Kid&#039;s Voting has done a great job with getting students out to help with some of the duties, yet I feel this should be expanded on. These kids do a super great job &amp; should be given more responsibility than what they have so far. We need to be weeding some of the poll workers out....for example when I voted this time &amp; asked for a paper ballot, as I always do, the senior gentleman said &quot;why would you want one of those&quot; very nasty tone &amp; I said &quot;well it&#039;s not your job to ask why, only to help me do so&quot;, he then replied &quot;must be because your a damn woman&quot;........

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David&#8230;.absentee / voting by mail is the least safe way to vote, google &#8220;voting by mail&#8221; and you will find study after study with the documented problems with that.  2004 presidential election in Ohio (several pending court cases still) something like 100,000  ballots (I have the exact figure in my files, somewhere) were found  in unopened cases at a Columbus post office over a month after the election had been certified&#8230;even in this past election Miami County had a problem with mailed absentee ballot paperwork (DDN reported)&#8230;so I&#8217;ll stick to driving to the polls. Although, I miss the days that polling locations were actually in neighborhoods &amp; you personally knew your judges by first name, it was a sense of community.</p>
<p>As far as police having &#8220;chain of command&#8221; with the ballots&#8230;.lol. If I witnessed as DRE flipping votes, as I have many times, I should be able to call the police and have them put yellow crime scene tape on the machine &amp; haul it away so no one else votes on it, nor tampers with it&#8230;.yet if I called the police, I&#8217;d probably get arrested for opening my mouth &amp; suggesting that the law be followed.</p>
<p>There are youtube clips from election activist from all over the country with them following cases of ballots that have left voting precincts in delivery trucks (sealed) and then wild car chases that are like something out of crazy movie&#8230;.it seems like anything goes. </p>
<p>With splitting the day for election polling judges, great idea that has been talked about for years. Also talk of extending the polling hours until the close of polls on the west coast, which would make the day that much longer. Either way, the BOE&#8217;s struggle to get people to sign up. Kid&#8217;s Voting has done a great job with getting students out to help with some of the duties, yet I feel this should be expanded on. These kids do a super great job &amp; should be given more responsibility than what they have so far. We need to be weeding some of the poll workers out&#8230;.for example when I voted this time &amp; asked for a paper ballot, as I always do, the senior gentleman said &#8220;why would you want one of those&#8221; very nasty tone &amp; I said &#8220;well it&#8217;s not your job to ask why, only to help me do so&#8221;, he then replied &#8220;must be because your a damn woman&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: David Lauri</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one has to drive to vote in Ohio.  Anyone may request an absentee ballot, without providing any reason for doing so, and then may vote from the comfort of his or her own home. If we really wanted to save money in Ohio, we&#039;d be doing all our voting by mail.
 
About poll workers I do have a question.  Why are the same poll workers required to be at the precincts all day long, from before 6:30 a.m. to after 7:30 p.m.?  My sister volunteered as a poll worker &lt;em&gt;once&lt;/em&gt; but wouldn&#039;t do it again because of that requirement. How many people, no matter how much they want to serve their country, want to put in a 13+ hour day?  Having the same people working 13+ hours isn&#039;t required to ensure the sanctity of the ballots, is it?  Don&#039;t police officers have chain of evidence procedures?  Couldn&#039;t morning poll workers sign off at a change of shift to afternoon poll workers?  Who made up these rules?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has to drive to vote in Ohio.  Anyone may request an absentee ballot, without providing any reason for doing so, and then may vote from the comfort of his or her own home. If we really wanted to save money in Ohio, we&#8217;d be doing all our voting by mail.<br />
 <br />
About poll workers I do have a question.  Why are the same poll workers required to be at the precincts all day long, from before 6:30 a.m. to after 7:30 p.m.?  My sister volunteered as a poll worker <em>once</em> but wouldn&#8217;t do it again because of that requirement. How many people, no matter how much they want to serve their country, want to put in a 13+ hour day?  Having the same people working 13+ hours isn&#8217;t required to ensure the sanctity of the ballots, is it?  Don&#8217;t police officers have chain of evidence procedures?  Couldn&#8217;t morning poll workers sign off at a change of shift to afternoon poll workers?  Who made up these rules?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completed a comparison study of all 88 Ohio County BOE web sites in Feb. of 2008 for The Ohio Election Justice Campaign. I am always willing to share this 40 page report with anyone.  The Montgomery County BOE site is far from perfect, yet is very far from the bottom of the list.
I do agree that the Franklin County BOE site is the top rated of all 88 counties, the ease of access to numerous amounts of public records, meeting calendars, meeting agendas &amp; minutes...information the average citizen has no idea...that is actually THEIR information &amp; that they should take advantage of this information &amp; educate themselves about what really goes on at the BOE.

Hearing that the Montgomery County BOE is planning on cutting back on precincts &amp; polling locations, is VERY disturbing to me. Yes, it will save the county $ to go to SUPER SIZED polling locations, yet will cost the voters their rights. These over sized polling locations bring nothing but problems.  The more voters in one location equals more stressed out, under trained, over worked, under paid poll workers.  The majority of these poll workers are seniors, who in my experience, have the best of intentions &amp; dedication to such an important civic service....yet, have over the last several years gone through so many changes in procedures &amp; equipment....that they are becoming lost in the mix.  When I look back at my years of Election Protection observing, the larger super sized polling locations, always have had the most document problems.  These problems span from paper jams in the DRE to judges being too overwhelmed to actually take the time to look up voters correct polling table (which might be in the same room) &amp; making them vote provisional instead. This goes on....

The county would save more $ by joining SOS Brunners law suit &amp; getting a refund on the DREs &amp; going back to the good days of paper ballots &amp; voting in your neighbors garage. You&#039;re lucky you can walk to vote David....Greene County already has many super sized polling locations.....I drive round trip 10 miles to vote in Sugarcreek....yet, I live within walking distance of Bellbrook H.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completed a comparison study of all 88 Ohio County BOE web sites in Feb. of 2008 for The Ohio Election Justice Campaign. I am always willing to share this 40 page report with anyone.  The Montgomery County BOE site is far from perfect, yet is very far from the bottom of the list.<br />
I do agree that the Franklin County BOE site is the top rated of all 88 counties, the ease of access to numerous amounts of public records, meeting calendars, meeting agendas &amp; minutes&#8230;information the average citizen has no idea&#8230;that is actually THEIR information &amp; that they should take advantage of this information &amp; educate themselves about what really goes on at the BOE.</p>
<p>Hearing that the Montgomery County BOE is planning on cutting back on precincts &amp; polling locations, is VERY disturbing to me. Yes, it will save the county $ to go to SUPER SIZED polling locations, yet will cost the voters their rights. These over sized polling locations bring nothing but problems.  The more voters in one location equals more stressed out, under trained, over worked, under paid poll workers.  The majority of these poll workers are seniors, who in my experience, have the best of intentions &amp; dedication to such an important civic service&#8230;.yet, have over the last several years gone through so many changes in procedures &amp; equipment&#8230;.that they are becoming lost in the mix.  When I look back at my years of Election Protection observing, the larger super sized polling locations, always have had the most document problems.  These problems span from paper jams in the DRE to judges being too overwhelmed to actually take the time to look up voters correct polling table (which might be in the same room) &amp; making them vote provisional instead. This goes on&#8230;.</p>
<p>The county would save more $ by joining SOS Brunners law suit &amp; getting a refund on the DREs &amp; going back to the good days of paper ballots &amp; voting in your neighbors garage. You&#8217;re lucky you can walk to vote David&#8230;.Greene County already has many super sized polling locations&#8230;..I drive round trip 10 miles to vote in Sugarcreek&#8230;.yet, I live within walking distance of Bellbrook H.S.</p>
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