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Downtown Dayton is Dead-town Dayton.

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Not being a hockey fan machts nichts for me about the location. I just wonder why this cant be centrally located downtown at the BPV site if there’s going to be a public subsidy.

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This is not about sprawl, this is all about getting it where you want it. The closer to YOU, well, the better.

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What RG/Mandalay are proposing is a new Hara Arena, but the Wamplers never received any govt. support. Hara was strictley a private sector deal all along.

You all should look at the ongoing thread at Datyon Most Metro on this, too. It’s an 8 page thread with links to discussion at urban Ohio and my blog, but I’ll just link y’all to the last page:

http://www.dayton.mostmetro.com/forum/index.php?topic=282.105

Enjoy!

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The Hara Arena and surrounding area is a joke. Really. You want people from out of town to go there to see an event? Please. That place is the perfect symbol for Dayton – old, run down, eye soar, etc Yet bc Iron Maiden played there in 1983 we have Dayton losers wanting to save it. Fudge, wake up and smell the coffee.

Why do you care when rich people want to get more rich? They don’t stop their life’s or their businesses bc they are rich, rather that is why they still are rich. Besides, they generally employ a lot of people, something the poor does not do well (along with taking showers.) I am not a fan of the location, but lord knows we spend our tax dollars on people who buys drugs and 40’s and guns with, well, our money. At least this would be a move in a positive direction, rather than keep throwing money at people who live and smell like animals.

John, Wal-Mart sucks for a lot more reason than given above, but they do have cheap stuff. To defend Wal Mart, not all their “stuff” is just plastic crap. They have food, soap, automotive goods, cheap clothes etc that are offered and bought (and these thing are actually needed) at stores all over the area. Why pick on Wal Mart? I think Wal Mart sucks bc I have a buddy who works in Bentonville for them and, well, it is an easy target not to like. I just chose to shop at places that are closer to where I live.

Let the criers cry. Their “outrage” is their fuel. And they still do not understand their huge contribution to our economic mess, rather they continue to point the finger in one direction, to the right. At least some of the right recognize that everyone had a hand in this and I laugh all the way to the bank bc I have never succumbed to the peer pressures of bigger, better, newer, brighter. I believe in those things after well thought out plans have been organized and executed to the best of human ability. Keep consuming, I’ll keep saving. And I will win, again!

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I do know that the tv stations thrive on negativity and if they are not reporting anyting bad about this proposed arena then obviously it can’t be all that bad.

Do you seriously think any paper/TV station will look at RG properties? Too many influential people will get their undies in a bunch. Really, you are articulate, but either you are young or very good a spinning naivete about how the world works.

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I am sorry and I want to apologize to you and welcome you to the discourse. I do forget that people are not aware of my preeminent powers of prognostication ie I call it out correctly and hard core. I have written, talked, cajoled and been a down right asshole to the powers that be and I expect the people of Dayton to understand the foundation of my work and to respect my opinion as I have a solid base of predictions that have come true.

I am sorry, but when you defend Wal Mart as a place that you admire it is time to turn the channel as you are unaware of the loss of skills that occur when these monstrosities enter the market. Wal Mart is founded on making cheap crap using slave labor at the behest of the Free Market to make our lives more fulfilling. Just as the Stock Market is a scam and built on a false premise, so is Wal Mart. Someday when energy is much more costly, America will look back and wonder why we sprawled all over our farm land, drove away tradesmen like furniture makers, beer makers, cobblers and other services that make civilization bearable. These professional skills were decimated by the advent of cheap oil that makes cheap plastic crap that decorates the outsides of houses the world over. The Titans of Industry used the Free Market approach; buy off DC politicians and turn America into Consumers instead of a society that values all skilled trades that build quality products.

It is disheartening to read a post from an obviously intelligent individual that cannot see why the lure of instant gratification is not the ideal characteristic to foster in the human species. But hey, maybe you have a way for all of the human race to live the same consumptive life as the typical American? If so pound it out on the keyboard, because if you do not then you do not see the future, you just have faith. Faith is for yeast and the weak, so get real and pony up, because Bread & Circuses did not serve the Romans well and it will not serve America well.

PS – The way to get it done is to control oil (Iraq) and convince the Indians, Chinese and Pakistanis to go to war so we can utilize the resources they would have consumed, to flow to us. Either way it goes down, Wal Mart is toast and a clock watcher like you will get a nice brown shirt and make sure we are all working.

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Your accusations of the elite sounds as if you have sour grapes? As for your statement that you and Esrati are a “valuable counter weight to idiocy” I would have to respond stating you both ARE the weight of idiocy that balances each other. If you are so unhappy here why don’t you move? I guess miserable people love company and you and Esrati are on some sort of crusade together. How sad.

Since you like to refer to psychologists maybe you should study the famous Pavlov and his research regarding stimulus/response. The dog hears a sound and reacts, much like the two of you.

As for your other comment, if making that statement helps you feel like a man so be it, it has no bearing on me or who I am. I don’t allow myself to become upset over childish antics that do not matter in the scheme of the world. I’m actually getting a chuckle out of the whole sordid stupidity you’ve created.

I can’t help but notice you and Esrati wrote during normal business hours. I ask you how ethical it is to be blogging when you should be earning your paycheck. Then maybe one day you too can build an arena.

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I am deciding whether I will parse each of John’s sentences to expose “real John” and what he/she is saying. My first instinct is to think that John is either a RG man or it is the person I called out, Steve Stanley. These people in the public eye have no right to privacy and need to be called out. The DDN and Channel 7 are not going to do it as they do not rat on their friends or sell out the business model. They only show traffic accidents and gun shots, and that is news? God forbid they increase subscribers/viewers with the truth about how the corrupt elite work in Dayton. Where do you think the elite learn how to screw people? Dayton is the ideal test market to lead the sheep to slaughter, but hey, they are where they are because they have “integrity” and have worked for the positions of power. RIIIGHT! Ass kissing Groupthink. People like Esrati and myself provide a valuable counter weight to idiocy. Thank god, or was it Al Gore, for the internet; otherwise it would be fait a compli for every stupid decision that is made in this town.

If it is Steve, I think his selection of “John” is very appropriate, since I affectionately called him “Landfill Lackey” for the Danis organization. I love Freud.

John – Prostitutes customer or a crapper; take your choice. Love it!

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Whether you think there is a need for an arena or not is your opinion. The rest of the county/city has a say in this matter as well. That is why we elect officials who make decisions on our behalf. Making uneducated guesses and accusations is not in the best interest of the community.

As for putting this venue downtown it is not a convenient location, nor a safe location, to send our kids who live south of Dayton.

Gene, you don’t even want to get me started on the waste that occurs in the Springoboro as well as Centerville school systems. The problem with Springboro is they want huge houses with high appraisals, but they do not want to pay the taxes that support the schools. Furthermore, we are in an age where people who have their children in school should be paying for part of their child’s education. The private school kids have parents who support their child’s school by paying tuition, along with taxes that support the local public school system. Also, people need to realize what is of more value: driving a Lexus, having a pricey home, going on luxurious vacations, OR doing their share to help support the local schools, thus investing in the future of their child. Until people decide that a child’s education is our future, and stop living in the selfishness of the “here and now” nothing will ever change. We live in a very self-centered world where sadly, everyone is out for themself. Then, when we have someone willing to do something better for the community the green monsters start to emerge, accusations fly, and things get unnecessarily ugly.

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Springboro schools cut busing for kindergartens – the so called rich community feels the pinch. We may want to invest, all communities that is, in education and things involving education.

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