Comments on: 2 weeks and counting: thoughts about elections http://esrati.com/2-weeks-and-counting-thoughts-about-elections/3486/ Dayton Ohio revealed and discussed. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:13:11 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Hall http://esrati.com/2-weeks-and-counting-thoughts-about-elections/3486/#comment-46131 Hall Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:23:26 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3486#comment-46131 <em>"When I see yard signs in vacant lots and street corners, I see a campaign that has money to waste, and the campaign loses my respect."</em> I always thought it was a case of giving a campaign worker "x" number of signs to get rid of and they take the easy way out and stick 'em at intersections or on vacant lots. FWIW, both mayoral candidates are guilty of this this year too. “When I see yard signs in vacant lots and street corners, I see a campaign that has money to waste, and the campaign loses my respect.”
I always thought it was a case of giving a campaign worker “x” number of signs to get rid of and they take the easy way out and stick ‘em at intersections or on vacant lots. FWIW, both mayoral candidates are guilty of this this year too.

]]> By: David Lauri http://esrati.com/2-weeks-and-counting-thoughts-about-elections/3486/#comment-46128 David Lauri Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:22:41 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3486#comment-46128 Most voters are uninformed.  I still remember being online in a gay chat room on 11/1/2004, the day before Ohioans voted to make their gay and lesbian neighbors second class citizens, and discovering, to my amazement, that some of the queers in the room didn't know what Issue 1 was.  People were going to vote on our right to equal marriage the next day and some queers didn't have a clue about it.   And I don't think queers are more apathetic or more ignorant than the population at large.  If anything, given that we face discrimination both de facto and de jure, I would think queers would be better informed than the population at large.   We get the government we deserve. Most voters are uninformed.  I still remember being online in a gay chat room on 11/1/2004, the day before Ohioans voted to make their gay and lesbian neighbors second class citizens, and discovering, to my amazement, that some of the queers in the room didn’t know what Issue 1 was.  People were going to vote on our right to equal marriage the next day and some queers didn’t have a clue about it.
 
And I don’t think queers are more apathetic or more ignorant than the population at large.  If anything, given that we face discrimination both de facto and de jure, I would think queers would be better informed than the population at large.
 
We get the government we deserve.

]]> By: David Esrati http://esrati.com/2-weeks-and-counting-thoughts-about-elections/3486/#comment-46125 David Esrati Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:24:14 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3486#comment-46125 <p>@david l.</p> <p>Most campaign literature is full of lies- or smoke and mirrors. Very little has substance- or anything substantive for the voter.</p> <p>I haven't seen any real opposition yet to issue 3. Most people are surprised to hear that there is a better casino deal coming next spring.</p> @david l.

Most campaign literature is full of lies- or smoke and mirrors. Very little has substance- or anything substantive for the voter.

I haven’t seen any real opposition yet to issue 3. Most people are surprised to hear that there is a better casino deal coming next spring.

]]> By: David Lauri http://esrati.com/2-weeks-and-counting-thoughts-about-elections/3486/#comment-46124 David Lauri Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:53:47 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3486#comment-46124 The thing that gets me about Issue 3 is that I got a mailer about it that talks about keeping money in Ohio and providing jobs for Ohioans but that does not have the word "casino" on it anywhere.   I'm fine with people arguing that Issue 3 is good because it will keep money in Ohio and because it will provide jobs for Ohioans, but it's sneaky and dirty to encourage people to vote for Issue 3 without saying what it's really about, which is about allowing for casinos in Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland and Toledo. The thing that gets me about Issue 3 is that I got a mailer about it that talks about keeping money in Ohio and providing jobs for Ohioans but that does not have the word “casino” on it anywhere.
 
I’m fine with people arguing that Issue 3 is good because it will keep money in Ohio and because it will provide jobs for Ohioans, but it’s sneaky and dirty to encourage people to vote for Issue 3 without saying what it’s really about, which is about allowing for casinos in Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland and Toledo.

]]> By: David Esrati http://esrati.com/2-weeks-and-counting-thoughts-about-elections/3486/#comment-46123 David Esrati Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:38:19 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3486#comment-46123 <p>@Roger</p> <p>Glad we've found a little common ground. You do understand that Metro Parks and Libraries have huge numbers of employees and family members who will help support them- besides users.</p> <p>I was talking about politicians- who don't have that type of network typically- unless it comes with strings to unions or the party.</p> <p>Issue 3 is a total scam- and has big money.</p> @Roger

Glad we’ve found a little common ground. You do understand that Metro Parks and Libraries have huge numbers of employees and family members who will help support them- besides users.

I was talking about politicians- who don’t have that type of network typically- unless it comes with strings to unions or the party.

Issue 3 is a total scam- and has big money.

]]> By: Roger http://esrati.com/2-weeks-and-counting-thoughts-about-elections/3486/#comment-46122 Roger Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:29:58 +0000 http://esrati.com/?p=3486#comment-46122 I've been snarky at you here in the past, but today you are right on! Especially the yard signs. When I see a sign in a neighbor's yard, I respect that my neighbor is taking a stand, one way or the other. When I see yard signs in vacant lots and street corners, I see a campaign that has money to waste, and the campaign loses my respect. My only disagreement is your blanket statement about people who stand outside the polls. If you see Issue 3 folks, you can be sure they are getting paid for their time... but when you see fellow citizens out there for the Metro Parks or the Library Levy, I think it is a pretty safe assumption they are volunteers supporting their community institutions. I’ve been snarky at you here in the past, but today you are right on! Especially the yard signs. When I see a sign in a neighbor’s yard, I respect that my neighbor is taking a stand, one way or the other. When I see yard signs in vacant lots and street corners, I see a campaign that has money to waste, and the campaign loses my respect.
My only disagreement is your blanket statement about people who stand outside the polls. If you see Issue 3 folks, you can be sure they are getting paid for their time… but when you see fellow citizens out there for the Metro Parks or the Library Levy, I think it is a pretty safe assumption they are volunteers supporting their community institutions.

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